Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place

Discussion:

George

2009-01-18 19:04:42 UTC

I sent this out yesterday, but apparently it didn't make it, so here it
is, and apologies if you get it twice.

Hi everyone,
As I (George2) sit in the IRC channels, I sometimes hear about
webinars or slide presentations that I wouldn't have known about
otherwise. These are great resources for the Drupal community that
simply don't have the exposure they deserve.
There are many excellent Drupal articles, presentations, videos etc
scattered about the internet that are time consuming to locate and
watch (if at all they are indexed), and as some overlap in content -
there are many for themeing for example - it could be a waste of time.
So, I'd like to put together a site that collects these resources
together, but not a simple aggregation site as there are also some not
so excellent resources! Also, I think a simple RSS fed aggregation
site becomes too large, difficult to search, of varying quality, and
therefore pointless.
Whether this site is to be a separate domain, or a subdomain on D.O is
unknown at this point. I can't currently see it fitting into the
current Drupal site, but with the redesign, who knows? (Hopefully
someone does!)
I've already put forward a brief idea to the assoc about this, but I
wanted to bounce some ideas around, and ask for some ideas and help,
and webchick pointed me to this list (so blame her!)
I'd like to have some sort of quality control, but I understand one
man's rubbish is another man's gold. However, we all know quality when
we see it. Should there be some sort of community voting? I'm not so
sure, I don't believe in +1, nor stars as these can be easily
manipulated, and people vote for different reasons, not just the
usefulness of the content involved. Maybe there should be a team of
people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? Would you be interested
in helping out here?
I'd also like to have some sort of way that people who want to
announce a live presentation / uploading of a seminar has completed,
and it can be added to the site in some sort of updates section for
everyone to see. I'd imagine this could be published as an RSS feed,
but as for aggregating the content, I'm not so sure. What do you think?
Also, I'd like some sort of community to be built around the site to
encourage people coming back to the site, maybe to add their own
tuition videos, add new presentations, make requests maybe etc. I'd
like to encourage people to ask questions on the video, like in a
comments structure maybe, so that questions and answers are in a sane
place. And, to encourage video/slide makers to supply some notes to
fill in hte missing gaps. I have no idea what format to structure this
community around, so once again, ideas would be welcomed!
Any other ideas you think would work for such a resource site?
Ok, that's enough for now, thanks for the ears!

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Addison Berry

2009-02-03 01:05:43 UTC

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So, I'd like to put together a site that collects these resources
together, but not a simple aggregation site as there are also some not
so excellent resources! Also, I think a simple RSS fed aggregation
site becomes too large, difficult to search, of varying quality, and
therefore pointless.
Whether this site is to be a separate domain, or a subdomain on D.O is
unknown at this point. I can't currently see it fitting into the
current Drupal site, but with the redesign, who knows? (Hopefully
someone does!)

I think this would be easier to determine once we saw the site in
action. I could also quite easily see a third-party resources
"section" though.

I'd like to have some sort of quality control, but I understand one
man's rubbish is another man's gold. However, we all know quality when
we see it. Should there be some sort of community voting? I'm not so
sure, I don't believe in +1, nor stars as these can be easily
manipulated, and people vote for different reasons, not just the
usefulness of the content involved.

Agreed, this is the tricky bit of having moderated content vs. whole-
sale aggregation. I don't know what the answer is in terms of the
community. If it is your personal site, well you get to decide what
goes in and what doesn't. :-) If it would be a larger Drupal community
site, then there would need to some clearly defined criteria for what
would be added. Not sure how narrowly that can be defined though. :-/

Maybe there should be a team of
people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? Would you be interested
in helping out here?

I personally would not want to get into that game unless there were
clear criteria that made it less a personal judgment call. I don't
have the energy for endless battles with people over why I didn't
include their work while adding some rivals. I'm definitely not saying
that have a team of moderators to sift through content is bad at all,
simply that it isn't something I myself would have time/energy for
these days.

Also, I'd like some sort of community to be built around the site to
encourage people coming back to the site, maybe to add their own
tuition videos, add new presentations, make requests maybe etc. I'd
like to encourage people to ask questions on the video, like in a
comments structure maybe, so that questions and answers are in a sane
place. And, to encourage video/slide makers to supply some notes to
fill in hte missing gaps. I have no idea what format to structure this
community around, so once again, ideas would be welcomed!

Sounds ambitious (not that that's bad!). I know that for me it takes a
lot of work just to get videos/tutorials done and put out. While I try
to keep minimal tabs on the stuff once I release, I really don't have
the time for extended care and feeding. The other thing to keep in
mind, is if folks release something on their site and it gets added to
your site, you now have two places for conversations to happen which
can cause forking of discussions and repetition. I don't even have
time to keep up with the discussions on my own (or company) site where
I release stuff, much less yet another site too. Just something to
think about.

All-in-all I think the overall idea is good, though tricky to
implement well. I'd love to see this site and have a chance to try
ideas out and see if a solid solution could be distilled that we could
use on d.o. It would be an amazing resource, so please make sure you
keep us in the loop as you work on it.

- Addi

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Kristof Van Tomme

2009-02-04 19:09:13 UTC

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George, I would love to work with you on this resource collection
system. Especially if we can make this resource collection
multi-lingual this could be of great value.

-Probably for bandwidth reasons it would be easiest to implement this
as a sort of bookmark service.
-Resources captured on Drupal events should be a great way to create a
basic resource library (e.g. movies from Drupalcons)
-You could implement a policy of quality comments (e.g. rating) on the
resource site, content comments on the site where the resource is
hosted to prevent duplication.
-I'm a bit afraid of the energy aspect that Addi pointed out,
especially if it's only a few people that are pushing this project,
it's going to get though to find the energy after a couple of months
of resource collecting. So it will be important to make it really
simple to add resources (e.g. with bookmarklets).

Which brings me to one of the projects we've been working on:
Some time ago I started playing with knowledge management in Drupal,
back then I made this proof of concept site druplet.org: you define a
problem you are trying to solve and then with a with a bookmarklet you
submit text snippets that help you solve the problem.

So while you do your research you build a "knowledge trail" for future
reference that also becomes a resource for the community. It's built
on top of neologism a semantic web project from Stephane Corlosquet,
which adds some cool possibilities to reuse the knowledge vocabulary
that is being built, but that doesn't really matter for the end user.

We could expand this site so that it gets more intuitive to submit
other types of resources than text (e.g. video and audio).

I've got a movie up about this project at
http://www.pronovix.com/solution/druplet-knowledge-management-system-drupal-built-drupal
you can also check it out live at druplet.org

Cheers,
Kristof

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Post by Addison Berry

I think this would be easier to determine once we saw the site in
action. I could also quite easily see a third-party resources
"section" though.

Maybe there should be a team of
people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? Would you be interested
in helping out here?

Sounds ambitious (not that that's bad!). I know that for me it takes a
lot of work just to get videos/tutorials done and put out. While I try
to keep minimal tabs on the stuff once I release, I really don't have
the time for extended care and feeding. The other thing to keep in
mind, is if folks release something on their site and it gets added to
your site, you now have two places for conversations to happen which
can cause forking of discussions and repetition. I don't even have
time to keep up with the discussions on my own (or company) site where
I release stuff, much less yet another site too. Just something to
think about.
All-in-all I think the overall idea is good, though tricky to
implement well. I'd love to see this site and have a chance to try
ideas out and see if a solid solution could be distilled that we could
use on d.o. It would be an amazing resource, so please make sure you
keep us in the loop as you work on it.
- Addi
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George

2009-02-04 21:36:38 UTC

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Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.

Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...

Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.

After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.

I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.

in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.

On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!

Any other ideas/suggestions?
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Kristof Van Tomme

2009-02-04 22:06:00 UTC

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Hi George,

I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about
the bookmarks.

What about
-multi-lingual resources?
-my offer to help?

-There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next
European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if
Paris wins).
-I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online).

But if you want to go it alone good luck =D

Cheers,
Kristof

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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George

2009-02-04 22:48:46 UTC

Permalink

Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't
thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late at
night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly.

Post by Kristof Van Tomme
Hi George,
I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about
the bookmarks.
What about
-multi-lingual resources?
-my offer to help?
-There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next
European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if
Paris wins).
-I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online).
But if you want to go it alone good luck =D
Cheers,
Kristof

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Gus Austin

2009-02-05 09:21:32 UTC

Permalink

Hi,

I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives complimentary
to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give you some
background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of them -
http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832

The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject (
http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create something
modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official channels
(g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense.

There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, and it
would great to combine forces build something that would be very valuable to
the community.

Come join the fun!

Post by George
Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't
thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late at
night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly.

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Kristof Van Tomme

2009-02-05 09:52:58 UTC

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Hi,

Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic?

I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu

cheers,
Kristof

Post by Gus Austin
Hi,
I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives complimentary
to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give you some
background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of them -
http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832
The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject
(http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create something
modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official channels
(g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense.
There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, and it
would great to combine forces build something that would be very valuable to
the community.
Come join the fun!

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Addison Berry

2009-02-05 14:58:39 UTC

Permalink

I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.

- Addi

Post by Kristof Van Tomme
Hi,
Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic?
I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu
cheers,
Kristof

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different
explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting
resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where
necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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George

2009-02-05 17:57:13 UTC

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ok, i've put some times in too!

Post by Addison Berry
I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.
- Addi

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different
explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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Gus Austin

2009-02-05 18:12:18 UTC

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I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or
Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim (
http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for
the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top
priority.

Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a
good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation
makes it back into the official documentation.

If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll
keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to
jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC.

Post by George
ok, i've put some times in too!

Post by Addison Berry
I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.
- Addi

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different
explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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Kristof Van Tomme

2009-02-05 23:37:15 UTC

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Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation,

We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday
or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now.

If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the
brainstorming vote at:
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu

cheers,
Kristof

Post by Gus Austin
I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or
Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim
(http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for
the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top
priority.
Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a
good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation
makes it back into the official documentation.
If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll
keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to
jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC.

Post by George
ok, i've put some times in too!

Post by Addison Berry
I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.
- Addi

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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Kristof Van Tomme

2009-02-09 22:40:02 UTC

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Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure?

Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check
your timezone!

If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet:
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu

I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead?

cheers,
Kristof

Post by Kristof Van Tomme
Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation,
We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday
or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now.
If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu
cheers,
Kristof

Post by George
ok, i've put some times in too!

Post by Addison Berry
I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.
- Addi

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
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George

2009-02-09 22:55:43 UTC

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just to clarify, that's 6pm central european time? which is GMT + 1. the
+1 after the CET is confusing me!

thanks

Post by Kristof Van Tomme
Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure?
Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check
your timezone!
http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu
I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead?
cheers,
Kristof

Post by George
ok, i've put some times in too!

Post by Addison Berry
I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider
myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone
else, please go with it.
- Addi

Post by George
Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why
I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as
possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to
allow the site to grow.
Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the
forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it
would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track
the comments on the original site...
Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume
as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or
kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of
a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have
different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one
particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos.
After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to
create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed
off
with
it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a
gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for
the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which
they'd be feeding directly to the site.
I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200
gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck
wouldn't turn me on.
in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be
effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of
being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two.
Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to
the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary.
On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and
start
with
the core goal, and hopefully work outwards!
Any other ideas/suggestions?
--
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Gus Austin

2009-02-09 23:01:25 UTC

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Once I figure out what time that would be PST, I'll round up the people that
are currently committing some time to make this happen. Cheers!

Post by Gus Austin
I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday